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whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 17:26
by WorldIsMine
please vote in your poll that you made
Re: whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 17:29
by Ryuuko
Love
Re: whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 17:32
by Ryuuko
solipsism is a great spell in D&D
Re: whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 18:03
by unoduetre
I've voted for Last Thursdayism.
Because at least I understand what it means.
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Re: whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 18:10
by Citizen
I'll use my trusty frying panpsychism as a drying panpsychism.
Re: whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 18:11
by unoduetre
E.g. if one can build a time machine and for some reason one cannot move in time to before last thursday, I'd suspect last thursdayism.

(It's not the only possible explanation of course.)
Re: whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 18:14
by Citizen
You use e.g. more times per day than any human being reasonably needs to in a year.
Re: whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 18:21
by unoduetre
Also, I've never seen "self".

I don't even know what it means tbh.
Re: whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 18:26
by Citizen
unoduetre wrote:E.g. if one can build a time machine and for some reason one cannot move in time to before last thursday, I'd suspect last thursdayism.

(It's not the only possible explanation of course.)
If Last Thursdayism were true you'd most likely just end up having a false memory of having successfully traveled back in time to an earlier date than last Thursday.
Re: whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 18:30
by unoduetre
[mention=1400]Citizen[/mention]
You missed the point of the argument, but you were close. Look at what I said again. I've not said anything about successfully traveling back in time.
Re: whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 18:37
by Ryuuko
I believe the content can be taken in the way you intended and in the way Citizen interpreted it as well as many other ways too. Such is the way of language
Re: whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 18:38
by unoduetre
If I successfully traveled in time to before the last Thursday, that would be a different story.
Also there is one more distinction to be made. If the world was created last Thursday and I traveled back in my time machine on Friday I'm already past the point of the creation. If I managed to travel to Wednesday and I am currently there it means Wednesday exists.
So the universe includes Wednesday. So it has not been created on Thursday in some sense, because Thursday is not the first day, but Wednesday.
And all of that because time is a part of the universe, and not something outside of it (there can be outside time of course, but in this case what does it mean that the world was created on Thursday? Thursday in the internal time or the external time? If it's internal time and Thursday is the first day and I managed to travel to Wednesday then you get a contradiction.)

Re: whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 18:38
by unoduetre
Ryuuko wrote:I believe the content can be taken in the way you intended and in the way Citizen interpreted it as well as many other ways too. Such is the way of language
Fortunately we have formal languages! I'm a fan.
Re: whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 18:45
by Ryuuko
Considering Thursday only exists in one of the many calendars used in our world and it was created at the time more for political reasons than any other I find the idea of the philosophy remotely being true idiotical.
If perhaps whomever created the idea used something reasonable for the name, I might consider it. But I suppose idiots are popular and so are their ideas.
Re: whch unprovable philosphy is more likely?
Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 18:46
by Citizen
unoduetre wrote:[mention=1400]Citizen[/mention]
You missed the point of the argument, but you were close. Look at what I said again. I've not said anything about successfully traveling back in time.
I know you didn't. It's irrelevant whether or not you were actually successful. That's the point, and why your time machine test would mean nothing regardless of what you remembered having been the results or even currently experience.
If I successfully traveled in time to before the last Thursday, that would be a different story.
Also there is one more distinction to be made. If the world was created last Thursday and I traveled back in my time machine on Friday I'm already past the point of the creation. If I managed to travel to Wednesday and I am currently there it means Wednesday exists.
So the universe includes Wednesday. So it has not been created on Thursday in some sense, because Thursday is not the first day, but Wednesday.
You don't know that the Wednesday you're in is actually real and exists at a point before Thursday, or if it's a false reality created after Thursday that you've traveled to.