Member Qualities - More a matter of your personal opinion
Most Intelligent [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Most Desirable Male (they must be male)
Most Desirable Female (they must be female)
Biggest Flirt [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention] [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention]
Funniest Member
Most Friendly [mention=717]PharaohAtem[/mention] [mention=64538]IkkleGemz[/mention] [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention] [mention=619]Arya[/mention]
Most Hyperactive
Most Trustworthy [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention] [mention=717]PharaohAtem[/mention]
Most Crazy [mention=619]Arya[/mention]
Most Inspiring
Most Charismatic [mention=619]Arya[/mention]
Talents Section - They must have posted in the relevant forum on AL (ie: best cosplayer must have posted in cosplay central, best writer in Literature & writing etc).
Best Artist
Best Cosplayer
Best Writer
Best GFXer
Biggest Otaku
Biggest Gamer
Best Roleplayer [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention] [mention=1132]Tanya[/mention] [mention=717]PharaohAtem[/mention]
Best AL Radio DJ
Staffing and services to AL - Only Assistant/Staff are eligible in this section
Most Helpful [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention]
Most Dedicated [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Best Forum Assistant
Best Forum Staff Member [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention] [mention=717]PharaohAtem[/mention] [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention]
Forum-Wide - The Big Awards, think carefully!
Best Section: ALJs; Crazy League; Creative arts & Writing
Best Newcomer (They must have joined in the last six months)
Most Respected [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention]
Most Influential [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention] [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention]
Most Valuable Member [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
As usual same few folks, as I'm not around the forums that much.
AL Awards — Nominations open until the end of the 15th of May
Moderators: Beex, Elgood81, Beerkeg, Ferefire
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Pirate TimeLord
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Re: AL Awards — Nominations open until the end of the 15th of May
AL Journals - Create your own personal space on AL Here!
Arts, Cosplay & Writing - You should check this out!
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Re: AL Awards — Nominations open until the end of the 15th of May
Most Intelligent
Most Desirable Male (they must be male)
Most Desirable Female (they must be female): [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Biggest Flirt: [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Funniest Member
Most Friendly: [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Most Hyperactive
Most Trustworthy: [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Most Crazy
Most Inspiring
Most Charismatic
Talents Section - They must have posted in the relevant forum on AL (ie: best cosplayer must have posted in cosplay central, best writer in Literature & writing etc).
Best Artist
Best Cosplayer
Best Writer
Best GFXer: [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Biggest Otaku
Biggest Gamer
Best Roleplayer: [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Best AL Radio DJ
Most Desirable Male (they must be male)
Most Desirable Female (they must be female): [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Biggest Flirt: [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Funniest Member
Most Friendly: [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Most Hyperactive
Most Trustworthy: [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Most Crazy
Most Inspiring
Most Charismatic
Talents Section - They must have posted in the relevant forum on AL (ie: best cosplayer must have posted in cosplay central, best writer in Literature & writing etc).
Best Artist
Best Cosplayer
Best Writer
Best GFXer: [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Biggest Otaku
Biggest Gamer
Best Roleplayer: [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Best AL Radio DJ
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Re: AL Awards — Nominations open until the end of the 15th of May
Best section: A&M, CL
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HentaiSenpai
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Re: AL Awards — Nominations open until the end of the 15th of May
Most Intelligent [mention=107568]unoduetre[/mention]
Most Desirable Male (they must be male) [mention=109197]Elgood81[/mention] [mention=100737]Beerkeg[/mention]
Most Desirable Female (they must be female) [mention=109177]Teeny[/mention] [mention=111496]NataliaJulia[/mention]
Biggest Flirt [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention]
Funniest Member [mention=107568]unoduetre[/mention]
Most Friendly [mention=6444]Momogari[/mention] [mention=64538]IkkleGemz[/mention]
Most Hyperactive [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention]
Most Trustworthy [mention=100737]Beerkeg[/mention]
Most Crazy [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention]
Most Inspiring [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Most Charismatic [mention=79663]DragonOfDojima[/mention]
Best Artist [mention=17199]Expendable[/mention]
Best Cosplayer[mention=100737]Beerkeg[/mention]
Best Writer
Best GFXer [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention] [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention]
Biggest Otaku [mention=107568]unoduetre[/mention]
Biggest Gamer [mention=109177]Teeny[/mention]
Best Roleplayer [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Best AL Radio DJ [mention=109197]Elgood81[/mention]
Most Helpful [mention=109177]Teeny[/mention]
Most Dedicated [mention=109197]Elgood81[/mention]
Best Forum Assistant
Best Forum Staff Member [mention=107568]unoduetre[/mention] [mention=109177]Teeny[/mention]
Best Section AL Journals
Best Newcomer (They must have joined in the last six months) [mention=111496]NataliaJulia[/mention]
Most Respected
Most Influential
Most Valuable Member
Most Desirable Male (they must be male) [mention=109197]Elgood81[/mention] [mention=100737]Beerkeg[/mention]
Most Desirable Female (they must be female) [mention=109177]Teeny[/mention] [mention=111496]NataliaJulia[/mention]
Biggest Flirt [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention]
Funniest Member [mention=107568]unoduetre[/mention]
Most Friendly [mention=6444]Momogari[/mention] [mention=64538]IkkleGemz[/mention]
Most Hyperactive [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention]
Most Trustworthy [mention=100737]Beerkeg[/mention]
Most Crazy [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention]
Most Inspiring [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Most Charismatic [mention=79663]DragonOfDojima[/mention]
Best Artist [mention=17199]Expendable[/mention]
Best Cosplayer[mention=100737]Beerkeg[/mention]
Best Writer
Best GFXer [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention] [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention]
Biggest Otaku [mention=107568]unoduetre[/mention]
Biggest Gamer [mention=109177]Teeny[/mention]
Best Roleplayer [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Best AL Radio DJ [mention=109197]Elgood81[/mention]
Most Helpful [mention=109177]Teeny[/mention]
Most Dedicated [mention=109197]Elgood81[/mention]
Best Forum Assistant
Best Forum Staff Member [mention=107568]unoduetre[/mention] [mention=109177]Teeny[/mention]
Best Section AL Journals
Best Newcomer (They must have joined in the last six months) [mention=111496]NataliaJulia[/mention]
Most Respected
Most Influential
Most Valuable Member
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Re: AL Awards — Nominations open until the end of the 15th of May
Member Qualities - More a matter of your personal opinion
Most Intelligent
Most Desirable Male (they must be male)
Most Desirable Female (they must be female)
Biggest Flirt
Funniest Member
Most Friendly
Most Hyperactive
Most Trustworthy
Most Crazy
Most Inspiring
Most Charismatic
Talents Section - They must have posted in the relevant forum on AL (ie: best cosplayer must have posted in cosplay central, best writer in Literature & writing etc).
Best Artist - @H03nn89 ; @Krayne ; @Noodle ;
Best Cosplayer
Best Writer - @Mykalwane ;
Best GFXer - @Klwen ; @xWickedNekox ;
Biggest Otaku - @Momogari ; @unoduetre ; @Galaxy ;
Biggest Gamer
Best Roleplayer - [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention] ; [mention=717]PharaohAtem[/mention] ;
Best AL Radio DJ
Staffing and services to AL - Only Assistant/Staff are eligible in this section
Most Helpful - @Momogari ; @unoduetre ; @Galaxy
Most Dedicated [email]-@?u=6444]Momogari ; @unoduetre ; @Galaxy
Best Forum Assistant
Best Forum Staff Member - @Momogari ; @unoduetre ; @Galaxy
Forum-Wide - The Big Awards, think carefully!
Best Section - A&M; CL; ALJ;
Best Newcomer (They must have joined in the last six months)
Most Respected
Most Influential
Most Valuable Member
Most Intelligent
Most Desirable Male (they must be male)
Most Desirable Female (they must be female)
Biggest Flirt
Funniest Member
Most Friendly
Most Hyperactive
Most Trustworthy
Most Crazy
Most Inspiring
Most Charismatic
Talents Section - They must have posted in the relevant forum on AL (ie: best cosplayer must have posted in cosplay central, best writer in Literature & writing etc).
Best Artist - @H03nn89 ; @Krayne ; @Noodle ;
Best Cosplayer
Best Writer - @Mykalwane ;
Best GFXer - @Klwen ; @xWickedNekox ;
Biggest Otaku - @Momogari ; @unoduetre ; @Galaxy ;
Biggest Gamer
Best Roleplayer - [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention] ; [mention=717]PharaohAtem[/mention] ;
Best AL Radio DJ
Staffing and services to AL - Only Assistant/Staff are eligible in this section
Most Helpful - @Momogari ; @unoduetre ; @Galaxy
Most Dedicated [email]-@?u=6444]Momogari ; @unoduetre ; @Galaxy
Best Forum Assistant
Best Forum Staff Member - @Momogari ; @unoduetre ; @Galaxy
Forum-Wide - The Big Awards, think carefully!
Best Section - A&M; CL; ALJ;
Best Newcomer (They must have joined in the last six months)
Most Respected
Most Influential
Most Valuable Member
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Most Intelligent [mention=27217]Orange[/mention]
Most Desirable Male [mention=417]Master of Vvardenfel[/mention]
Most Desirable Female @ Faithy
Biggest Flirt [mention=15371]Moulders[/mention]
Funniest Member [mention=417]Master of Vvardenfel[/mention] [mention=881]lolin[/mention]
Most Friendly [mention=1761]Tuffin[/mention] [mention=401]Ivory[/mention] [mention=13852]Pirate TimeLord[/mention]
Most Hyperactive [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention]
Most Trustworthy [mention=13852]Pirate TimeLord[/mention] [mention=7768]Rukia[/mention]
Most Crazy [mention=1132]Starweave[/mention]
Most Inspiring [mention=64538]IkkleGemz[/mention] [mention=101634]Queen[/mention] ikklemel
Most Charismatic [mention=19308]thederus[/mention] [mention=42186]TheRedWarrior[/mention]
Most Helpful [mention=30109]Kairi[/mention]
Most Dedicated [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Best Forum Assistant [mention=46027]Beex[/mention]
Best Forum Staff Member [mention=717]PharaohAtem[/mention]
Best Section @crazy league
Best Newcomer [mention=12535]Gekiganger[/mention]
Most Respected [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention]
Most Influential [mention=1400]Citizen[/mention]
Most Valuable Member [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Most Desirable Male [mention=417]Master of Vvardenfel[/mention]
Most Desirable Female @ Faithy
Biggest Flirt [mention=15371]Moulders[/mention]
Funniest Member [mention=417]Master of Vvardenfel[/mention] [mention=881]lolin[/mention]
Most Friendly [mention=1761]Tuffin[/mention] [mention=401]Ivory[/mention] [mention=13852]Pirate TimeLord[/mention]
Most Hyperactive [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention]
Most Trustworthy [mention=13852]Pirate TimeLord[/mention] [mention=7768]Rukia[/mention]
Most Crazy [mention=1132]Starweave[/mention]
Most Inspiring [mention=64538]IkkleGemz[/mention] [mention=101634]Queen[/mention] ikklemel
Most Charismatic [mention=19308]thederus[/mention] [mention=42186]TheRedWarrior[/mention]
Most Helpful [mention=30109]Kairi[/mention]
Most Dedicated [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Best Forum Assistant [mention=46027]Beex[/mention]
Best Forum Staff Member [mention=717]PharaohAtem[/mention]
Best Section @crazy league
Best Newcomer [mention=12535]Gekiganger[/mention]
Most Respected [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention]
Most Influential [mention=1400]Citizen[/mention]
Most Valuable Member [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Ferefire: Arya probably should have the admin powers to give out admin powers
Pirate Timelord: I mean, Arya is Arya, but not Arya?
Bert: Help me make sense of this, Timelord.
Pirate Timelord: They're both now Schrodinger's Arya's' Both accounts both being and not being Arya.
Pirate Timelord: I mean, Arya is Arya, but not Arya?
Bert: Help me make sense of this, Timelord.
Pirate Timelord: They're both now Schrodinger's Arya's' Both accounts both being and not being Arya.
Re: AL Awards — Nominations open until the end of the 15th of May
D'aw [mention=619]Arya[/mention] <3 ty babe
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Shiro_chan
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Re: AL Awards — Nominations open until the end of the 15th of May
Most Intelligent -
Most Desirable Male (they must be male) -
Most Desirable Female (they must be female) - [mention=81291]YukiChan[/mention]
Biggest Flirt -
Funniest Member - [mention=15371]Moulders[/mention]
Most Friendly - @LikkleMel [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention] [mention=109177]Teeny[/mention]
Most Hyperactive - @LikkleMel
Most Trustworthy - [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Most Crazy -
Most Inspiring - [mention=5581]Pixiedora[/mention] [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Most Charismatic - [mention=15371]Moulders[/mention] [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Best Artist
Best Cosplayer - [mention=81291]YukiChan[/mention] [mention=64627]DaddyCool[/mention]
Best Writer
Best GFXer -
Biggest Otaku -
Biggest Gamer
Best Roleplayer
Best AL Radio DJ
Most Helpful -
Most Dedicated - [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention] [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Best Forum Assistant -
Best Forum Staff Member - [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention]
Best Section -
Best Newcomer (They must have joined in the last six months) -
Most Respected - [mention=64538]IkkleGemz[/mention] [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Most Influential - [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Most Valuable Member - [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention] [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention]
Most Desirable Male (they must be male) -
Most Desirable Female (they must be female) - [mention=81291]YukiChan[/mention]
Biggest Flirt -
Funniest Member - [mention=15371]Moulders[/mention]
Most Friendly - @LikkleMel [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention] [mention=109177]Teeny[/mention]
Most Hyperactive - @LikkleMel
Most Trustworthy - [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Most Crazy -
Most Inspiring - [mention=5581]Pixiedora[/mention] [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Most Charismatic - [mention=15371]Moulders[/mention] [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Best Artist
Best Cosplayer - [mention=81291]YukiChan[/mention] [mention=64627]DaddyCool[/mention]
Best Writer
Best GFXer -
Biggest Otaku -
Biggest Gamer
Best Roleplayer
Best AL Radio DJ
Most Helpful -
Most Dedicated - [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention] [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Best Forum Assistant -
Best Forum Staff Member - [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention]
Best Section -
Best Newcomer (They must have joined in the last six months) -
Most Respected - [mention=64538]IkkleGemz[/mention] [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Most Influential - [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention]
Most Valuable Member - [mention=1]Ferefire[/mention] [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention]
Re: AL Awards — Nominations open until the end of the 15th of May
Member Qualities - More a matter of your personal opinion
Most Intelligent - [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=13852]Pirate TimeLord[/mention]
Most Desirable Male (they must be male) - [mention=79663]DragonOfDojima[/mention]
Most Desirable Female (they must be female) - [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention] [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention] [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention]
Biggest Flirt - [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention] [mention=79663]DragonOfDojima[/mention]
Funniest Member - [mention=1400]Citizen[/mention] [mention=881]lolin[/mention] [mention=15371]Moulders[/mention]
Most Friendly - [mention=109197]Elgood81[/mention] [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention] [mention=109177]Teeny[/mention]
Most Hyperactive - [mention=79663]DragonOfDojima[/mention]
Most Trustworthy - [mention=109197]Elgood81[/mention] [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention]
Most Crazy - [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention] [mention=30109]Kairi[/mention] [mention=619]Arya[/mention]
Most Inspiring - [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention] [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention]
Most Charismatic - [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention] [mention=619]Arya[/mention] [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention]
Talents Section - They must have posted in the relevant forum on AL (ie: best cosplayer must have posted in cosplay central, best writer in Literature & writing etc).
Best Artist - [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Best Cosplayer - [mention=81291]YukiChan[/mention] [mention=64627]DaddyCool[/mention]
Best Writer - [mention=13852]Pirate TimeLord[/mention]
Best GFXer - [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention] [mention=619]Arya[/mention]
Biggest Otaku - [mention=17199]Expendable[/mention] [mention=46027]Beex[/mention]
Biggest Gamer - [mention=30109]Kairi[/mention]
Best Roleplayer - [mention=14535]zgawd[/mention]
Best AL Radio DJ - [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Staffing and services to AL - Only Assistant/Staff are eligible in this section
Most Helpful - [mention=64627]DaddyCool[/mention] [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention] [mention=79663]DragonOfDojima[/mention]
Most Dedicated - [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention] [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention]
Best Forum Assistant -
Best Forum Staff Member -
Forum-Wide - The Big Awards, think carefully!
Best Section -
Best Newcomer (They must have joined in the last six months)
Most Respected - [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention] [mention=64538]IkkleGemz[/mention]
Most Influential - [mention=110431]Grace[/mention]Meloody [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention] [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention]
Most Valuable Member - [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention] [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention]
Most Intelligent - [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=13852]Pirate TimeLord[/mention]
Most Desirable Male (they must be male) - [mention=79663]DragonOfDojima[/mention]
Most Desirable Female (they must be female) - [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention] [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention] [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention]
Biggest Flirt - [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention] [mention=79663]DragonOfDojima[/mention]
Funniest Member - [mention=1400]Citizen[/mention] [mention=881]lolin[/mention] [mention=15371]Moulders[/mention]
Most Friendly - [mention=109197]Elgood81[/mention] [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention] [mention=109177]Teeny[/mention]
Most Hyperactive - [mention=79663]DragonOfDojima[/mention]
Most Trustworthy - [mention=109197]Elgood81[/mention] [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention]
Most Crazy - [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention] [mention=30109]Kairi[/mention] [mention=619]Arya[/mention]
Most Inspiring - [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention] [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention]
Most Charismatic - [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention] [mention=619]Arya[/mention] [mention=106533]GraceMellody[/mention]
Talents Section - They must have posted in the relevant forum on AL (ie: best cosplayer must have posted in cosplay central, best writer in Literature & writing etc).
Best Artist - [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Best Cosplayer - [mention=81291]YukiChan[/mention] [mention=64627]DaddyCool[/mention]
Best Writer - [mention=13852]Pirate TimeLord[/mention]
Best GFXer - [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention] [mention=619]Arya[/mention]
Biggest Otaku - [mention=17199]Expendable[/mention] [mention=46027]Beex[/mention]
Biggest Gamer - [mention=30109]Kairi[/mention]
Best Roleplayer - [mention=14535]zgawd[/mention]
Best AL Radio DJ - [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention]
Staffing and services to AL - Only Assistant/Staff are eligible in this section
Most Helpful - [mention=64627]DaddyCool[/mention] [mention=56975]Sirena[/mention] [mention=79663]DragonOfDojima[/mention]
Most Dedicated - [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention] [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention]
Best Forum Assistant -
Best Forum Staff Member -
Forum-Wide - The Big Awards, think carefully!
Best Section -
Best Newcomer (They must have joined in the last six months)
Most Respected - [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention] [mention=64538]IkkleGemz[/mention]
Most Influential - [mention=110431]Grace[/mention]Meloody [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention] [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention]
Most Valuable Member - [mention=19809]RedHat[/mention] [mention=59156]Queen LikkleMel[/mention] [mention=80169]xWickedNekox[/mention]
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Re: AL Awards — Nominations open until the end of the 15th of May
Right and locked!
The finals will be going up in a few hours! Thank you everyone who nominated for this first stage!
The finals will be going up in a few hours! Thank you everyone who nominated for this first stage!
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