Fruits Basket (2019)

[lolin]

Like e.g. the one I mentioned before "After all marriage is the girl's greatest dream" (it's from one of the dialogues).

It things like that were just opinions of some characters, it'd be different. But in this show opinions like that are shared by all characters.

Aha, some girls just want mozzarella sticks and more Pokemon games. Oh wait, that's me. But in that time period, marriage WAS a huge thing for a lot of women still. I still see what you mean though, nowadays it's a little shaky.

[unoduetre]

Aha, some girls just want mozzarella sticks and more Pokemon games. Oh wait, that's me.

Yeah, exactly.

[unoduetre]

But in that time period, marriage WAS a huge thing for a lot of women still. I still see what you mean though, nowadays it's a little shaky.

The manga is from 1998 so it's not that old. It's not the early 70s or anything like that.

[lolin]

98 was still 21 years ago. Culture changes a LOT in that time, especially due to the advent of all new technology and the internet.

[unoduetre]

Also, Arisa and Saki are not so stereotypical, so I like them much more.

Maybe "all" was an exaggeration. Arisa and Saki are great! Unfortunately they do not appear very often.

[unoduetre]

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[unoduetre]

Oh, here is a nice blog post about Tohru which seems to agree with my perspective of her in many points.

The author also compares her with Sawako from Kimi ni Todoke.

https://shojocorner.wordpress.com/2012/ ... ako-tohru/

I found Tohru Honda to have absolutely no personality – she never stands up for herself, has no distinct likes or dislikes, and I found her constant positivity to be annoying.

Ultimately, I think the main reason why Tohru is a far more bothersome character to me than Sawako is because there are far more interesting characters than Tohru in Fruits Basket.

So while both of these characters are supposed to be the ‘average girl next door’ so that any female fan can relate to them, Kimi ni Todoke shows that ‘average’ doesn’t have to mean ‘boring.’

[unoduetre]

Oh, I think this type of character is called Mary Sue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue

…usually are able through some means to upstage the main protagonist of an established fictional setting, such as by saving the hero.

She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her "flaws" are obviously meant to be endearing.

She has an unusual and dramatic Back Story. The canon protagonists are all overwhelmed with admiration for her beauty, wit, courage and other virtues, and are quick to adopt her as one of their True Companions, even characters who are usually antisocial and untrusting…

But some other things do not match, e.g.

They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience…

She's exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She's exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare…

[unoduetre]

Oh, wait. I've found a type of Mary Sue which matches perfectly.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PuritySue

It is a character that is intentionally made by the author to be overly positive. They almost never have any flaws that actually affect them in a way that truly matters, usually going for endearing traits such as "clumsiness" or naïveté, instead getting overloaded with overwhelmingly positive but largely passive traits (i.e. beauty, innocence, etc.). The character will usually be soft-spoken, have a pleasant voice, and be mild-mannered.

When considering if a character that overlaps with one or more of the other types belong here, keep in mind that Purity Sue pretty much exists to be loved by everybody for being (as the plot tries to suggest) "perfect" (or close enough) in every way that matters.

[Endynyp]

Sorry that I am so late to the convo. I'm just gonna jump in with both feet.

Oh, wait. I've found a type of Mary Sue which matches perfectly.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PuritySue

That is a perfect description.

I'm not too bothered about Tohru. I feel like she is just there so we have a point of comparison between a normie and all the interesting people in her life. She becomes an interesting character only when she is needed to help resolve their emotional problems and then she fades into the background. I'm comfortable with that, 'cus I think it works for the show.

[unoduetre]

[mention=111587]Endynyp[/mention]

Yeah, I'm not really bothered by a single character, because there are other characters which are more interesting. The other point I mentioned is more annoying, but we'll see how it goes. The plot might make different assumptions as it develops. I think it's still very early.

[Endynyp]

[mention=107568]unoduetre[/mention] I totally see what you mean (re:stereotypical), but I think the characters are designed this way in order to focus on what it's really about: it's really about how people can learn to be good to each other in a world that sucks.

[unoduetre]

Watching…

[unoduetre]

Akito needs his ass kicked by someone it seems.

[Endynyp]

That is Akito's purpose. To be the enemy...