• Achy
  • Amused
  • Angry
  • Annoyed
  • Arty
  • Awesome
  • Bemused
  • Bitey
  • Cocky
  • Content
  • Cool
  • Crazy
  • Crying
  • Depressed
  • Doh!
  • Drunk
  • Embarrased
  • Friendly
  • Fussy
  • Geeky
  • Godly
  • Happy
  • Horny
  • Hungry
  • Innocent
  • Laughing
  • Loved
  • Ninja'ed
  • No Mood
  • Pervy
  • Piratey
  • Poorly
  • Sad
  • Shy
  • Sigh
  • Silly
  • Sneaky
  • Wtf
  • zzzz
  • Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
    Results 1 to 15 of 38

    Hybrid View

    Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
    1. #1

      Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      This thread will be about discussing philosophical (not all, but some) topics in light novels, manga and anime. Feel free to post anything ontopic.

      Just to give some background to people who might not know what would qualify and what would not qualify for this thread.

      Philosophy has the following main branches (just to give you some background):
      • logic, epistemology (study of reasoning, knowledge, truth, thinking, language etc. (math, linguistics and psychology related))
      • metaphysics (study of basic, very general objects that exist and do not exist (physics related))
      • ethics (study of morality, what are some possible goals, values etc. (politics, law related))
      • aesthetics (to make it more general, what people like and dislike and why, what things are valuable and what are just rubbish (art, music etc. related))
      If your topic is in one of these branches or something related it qualifies. It doesn't need to be complicated, even basic things are interesting. If it's something like "what is the meaning of life" it does not qualify. If it's Paulo Coehlo style "philosophy", it does not qualify.

      Also all irrational types of philosophy, like e.g. postmodernism in application to logic, epistemology or metaphysics are excluded. Things like postmodernism in application to ethics and aesthetics (which is often rational) are included. If you don't know what postmodernism is, just ignore this line. In general, only rational discussion qualifies. Irrational arguments go elsewhere (rational arguments about irrational people's behaviour are still rational).

      If it's a topic related to some inside elements of a particular religion or worldview (e.g. things like whether or not Mary was a virgin or what's the difference between marxism and trotskyism), it's probably too specific for this thread. This thread is more about general topics.

      This thread will be moving very slowly, becuase there aren't so many philosophical light novels/manga/anime, so when I encounter something interesting I'll post. And you can do it as well. Let's try to make this topic good quality.

      You can also ask philosophy-related questions if they relate to a light novel/manga/anime you've read/watched. E.g. there might be some behaviour of a character which seems moral/immoral, rational/irrational etc., but it's not certain or it depends on a point of view, so it's a good starting point for a discussion.

      I hope we can have a good conversation. This topic is about explaining and discussing problems and not convincing people to believe in any philosophical ideas.

      If you consider this thread "elitist" etc. just don't participate.

      I you want to discuss something not directly related to LN/manga/anime, use this thread: https://www.animeleague.net/forum/sh...51#post4749651
      Last edited by unoduetre; 06-20-2019 at 05:44 AM.



      I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. (Evelyn Beatrice Hall)
      Information wants to be free. (Stewart Brand)
      The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum容ven encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. (Noam Chomsky)

    2. #2
      Jumping On My Bed!
       
      Awesome
       
      Sadaku's Avatar
      Join Date
      Mar 2019
      Country
      USA
      Posts
      2,493
      AL Points
      3,729

      Re: Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      Sound like it will be fun ^^
       

    3. #3

      Re: Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      So a general question is the status of people with minority opinions in democracy. Is there a way to prevent the tyrrany of the majority? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority)



      I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. (Evelyn Beatrice Hall)
      Information wants to be free. (Stewart Brand)
      The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum容ven encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. (Noam Chomsky)

    4. #4

      Re: Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      Yes, this would work, but only for situations when the the ratio of minority to majority is unevenly distributed. If the ratio is constant in all geographical locations, it won't help, right?



      I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. (Evelyn Beatrice Hall)
      Information wants to be free. (Stewart Brand)
      The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum容ven encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. (Noam Chomsky)

    5. #5

      Re: Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      I would like to discuss a part of episode 5 of the older anime adaptation of Kino's Journey. The part's title is "A Land of Decision by Majority - Ourselfish"

      It starts somewhere close to minute 15 of the episode and continues to the end of it.



      I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. (Evelyn Beatrice Hall)
      Information wants to be free. (Stewart Brand)
      The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum容ven encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. (Noam Chomsky)

    6. #6
      The Original Mors
      Awesome
       
      Momogari's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jun 2006
      Country
      Canada
      Posts
      33,161
      Blog Entries
      1
      AL Points
      28,899

      Re: Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      decentralization and localization of government is a good mitigator. At least, the wider the scope of law, the bigger the tyranny of the majority.
      sig art by miwool with help from poronegi; sticker credits: miwool sazi Yagi the Goat Shironappa

    7. #7

      Re: Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      Actually it doesn't even need to be constant. The only requirement is that the majority in all parts is the same majority.



      I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. (Evelyn Beatrice Hall)
      Information wants to be free. (Stewart Brand)
      The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum容ven encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. (Noam Chomsky)

    8. #8

      Re: Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      Unfortunately, in my opinion there is no "technical" way to prevent it. I think it all depends on the values of the people. If the values of the majority are not against establishing a tyrrany of the majority, the majority and the minority always vote in opposite ways, and the minority is always losing the vote, the only thing to do for the minority is to try to convince the majority to their viewpoint and if it doesn't work leave the country (and join a country with opinions more aligned with theirs, or establish a new one) and if it's not possible (e.g. the majority doesn't let them go) to fight (the history shows that it's possible for the minority to win). That's why having different countries makes sense and it might be a more peaceful approach.

      Any thoughts on that?
      Last edited by unoduetre; 06-09-2019 at 10:31 PM.



      I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. (Evelyn Beatrice Hall)
      Information wants to be free. (Stewart Brand)
      The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum容ven encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. (Noam Chomsky)

    9. #9

      Re: Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      Quote Originally Posted by unoduetre View Post
      Unfortunately, in my opinion there is no "technical" way to prevent it. I think it all depends on the values of the people. If the values of the majority are not against establishing a tyrrany of the majority, the majority and the minority always vote in opposite ways, and the minority is always losing the vote, the only thing to do for the minority is to try to convince the majority to their viewpoint and if it doesn't work leave the country (and join a country with opinions more aligned with theirs, or establish a new one) and if it's not possible (e.g. the majority doesn't let them go) to fight (the history shows that it's possible for the minority to win). That's why having different countries makes sense and it might be a more peaceful approach.

      Any thoughts on that?
      If 1 person = 1 vote is creating problematic majorities you can weigh the votes against some metric. e.g. the US electoral collage weighs votes against geographic region so you don't have large population centres stomping on the will of larger but less populous states. Which is important because the millions of men in suits running around New York are arguably not more important than a few hundred farmers in Montana who are actually growing the food you eat.

      I think our general trend towards Socialist governments is a symptom of this majority tyranny though. Economically for example, the government takes 40% of your pay and gives it to 2 unemployed people. Now the voting is 2 vs 1 even though those 2 people wouldn't be alive without the first. Weighing votes against tax contribution could help fix that. That might force politicians to actually improve people's financial situations to get votes instead of keeping people poor and buying their votes with ephemeral promises of free stuff.

      Immigration is a similar problem. You can increase the standard of living for a 3rd world migrant through the roof by simply letting them into the country. Improving the standard of living for your citizens the same way is much harder. And if 1 person = 1 vote then guess there all the effort goes. But if it turns out that those migrants are not doctors and engineers but illiterate thugs with medieval moral values then that's not a good long term game plan for your country or the effectively marginalised native citizens.
       

    10. #10
      The Original Mors
      Awesome
       
      Momogari's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jun 2006
      Country
      Canada
      Posts
      33,161
      Blog Entries
      1
      AL Points
      28,899

      Re: Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      Quote Originally Posted by lambda-sky View Post
      If 1 person = 1 vote is creating problematic majorities you can weigh the votes against some metric. e.g. the US electoral collage weighs votes against geographic region so you don't have large population centres stomping on the will of larger but less populous states. Which is important because the millions of men in suits running around New York are arguably not more important than a few hundred farmers in Montana who are actually growing the food you eat.
      The US electoral college also makes it so that minority populations within states have zero power in federal elections.
      sig art by miwool with help from poronegi; sticker credits: miwool sazi Yagi the Goat Shironappa

    11. #11

      Re: Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      Quote Originally Posted by Momogari View Post
      The US electoral college also makes it so that minority populations within states have zero power in federal elections.
      I guess the electoral college dates back to a time when political differences were much bigger between states than within them.
       

    12. #12
      The Original Mors
      Awesome
       
      Momogari's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jun 2006
      Country
      Canada
      Posts
      33,161
      Blog Entries
      1
      AL Points
      28,899

      Re: Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      that makes me wonder whether the whole idea of countries is too limiting
      sig art by miwool with help from poronegi; sticker credits: miwool sazi Yagi the Goat Shironappa

    13. #13

      Re: Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      @Momogari

      Yeah, it is. What are your thoughts about that? I want to know more.



      I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. (Evelyn Beatrice Hall)
      Information wants to be free. (Stewart Brand)
      The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum容ven encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. (Noam Chomsky)

    14. #14
      The Original Mors
      Awesome
       
      Momogari's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jun 2006
      Country
      Canada
      Posts
      33,161
      Blog Entries
      1
      AL Points
      28,899

      Re: Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      I don't have much more, it just made me think so. There's not much alternative when the possibility exists for violence.
      sig art by miwool with help from poronegi; sticker credits: miwool sazi Yagi the Goat Shironappa

    15. #15
      Moderator
      Bitey
       
      Endynyp's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 2019
      Country
      UK
      Posts
      1,443
      AL Points
      8,585

      Re: Philosophical Topics in Light Novels/Manga/Anime (details in the first post)

      A lot depends on what you mean by country and what is specifically untenable about countries. For example, I think discrimination on the basis of accidentally occurring factors is immoral, as an extension of that I must conclude that our system of borders and exclusive citizenship is also immoral. It assigns benefits to individuals and denies benefits to other individuals solely on the basis of where and to whom they are born, accidental factors that are out of their control. Perhaps we could think of a system that could maintain certain functions of the state that we deem important (for exmaple, law and order, maintenance of group goods) without having to rely on immoral practices.

      Turning to our example of Tyranny by Majority, I am inclined to agree with @unoduetre about the impossibility of guarding against it in our current systems, but I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on Demarchy or Sortition. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition) I won't tell you mine yet, so as not to sway your opinion.
      典here is no such thing as a coincidence in this world. There is only the inevitable. Yuuko Ichihara, xxxHolic

    Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

    Thread Information

    Users Browsing this Thread

    There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •  
    Animeleague Uses Cookies!
    We use cookies to store session information to remember your login information, to save your website preferences, to provide other functions such as our chat room and to analyse our web traffic. Read our Cookie Policy and Privacy Policy.
    Please let us know your cookie preferences.