The neural activity alone would tell us close to nothing - just ask any hypochondriac, or anyone with a phantom limb, or any schizophrenic, or one of countless others who know first-hand that the activity in the human brain does not map directly to activity in the outside environment. (Or any neurologist, psychiatrist, or psychologist, for that matter.) Monitoring neural activity could tell us what people perceive - not what's actually there. Of course, there had been studies where we were trying to confirm what people perceived. For instance, the idea of an out-of-body-experience: a situation where your "spirit"/"consciousness" leaves your body somehow, and can see things from a vantage point outside your head, before returning to your body (allegedly such as in near-death experiences, or certain mystic rituals). One experimental approach is to actually verify if people having such experiences can see what they claim to be able to see. For example, a person is lying down in the center of a room with a tall bookcase; flat on top of the bookcase is a piece of paper with some image on it. Because it's flat and on top of the tall bookcase, the person cannot see it if they are lying down, but if they were having an out-of-body-experience in which their "spirit" could see things from the ceiling, then they would be able to report what that image was when their "spirit" returns to their body. Naturally, when this experiment was actually carried out, they found that no-one who claimed to have such experiences could actually see what they claimed to - even though they vividly reported having had the experience. Which again goes to show the disconnect between our perceptions and reality, to an extent.
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Originally Posted by mani Monitoring neural activity could tell us what people perceive - not what's actually there. I was hoping neural activity would be able to tell us what part of the environment had changed. If I'm in a white padded room, and suddenly see a ghost, I'd expect to see a change in what's going in my occipital lobe. Originally Posted by mani Of course, there had been studies where we were trying to confirm what people perceived. For instance, the idea of an out-of-body-experience: a situation where your "spirit"/"consciousness" leaves your body somehow, and can see things from a vantage point outside your head, before returning to your body (allegedly such as in near-death experiences, or certain mystic rituals). One experimental approach is to actually verify if people having such experiences can see what they claim to be able to see. . I do think people can have an out of body experience. It's sorta like how I believe in multiple Gods. But I don't think people can control when they have an out of body experience. Most claims where people have an out of body experience are when the person isn't in an ideal situation to start. Maybe they did suddenly develop a bit of clairvoyance when that guy holding the gun tot heir head told them to give him all their money. I'm sure lots of people have seen their life literally flash before their eyes. But I think this does follow the realm of ghosts a little. In Korean folklore/tradition/religion, it is possible for a someone to pull your soul from your body and have it cleansed/purified. So who knows. Similar tails existed at one time for Vietnam.
I believe that there exists beeings that we dont fully understand, that in this case might be refered to as ghosts. I am a christian so people might say that my view is limited because of my religion, but according to the bible there is an ongoing war for our souls going on between satan and God, demons and angels, bad spirits and good spirits. And I fully believe that these can affect the physical world, moving objects, making noise etc... What I also believe is that the angels/good spirits are stronger and therefore protects people from the influence of the demons. I also believe that if you call to the demons, they will answere, so we should be carefull of what we do. I dont really think that activity increase depending where you are (or what you do, like if you "sin" as shown in catholic horror movies, unless you of course call for demons), I think it depends more on the situation you are in.
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Originally Posted by mani However, we cannot further our scientific knowledge on ghosts (assuming there is any to be had whatsoever) until we have a testable hypothesis and measurable predictions. Both of these things are literally impossible to obtain so long as the term "ghost" either has a nonsensical definition or has no clear definition. ghost (noun) - An apparition of a dead person that is believed to appear or become manifest to the living, typically as a nebulous image. I think part of the problem is that we all have different ideas/opinions of what a ghost is. For the sake of where I come from my belief in ghosts is tied to religion. So it's impossible to see certain people as ghosts because not everyone is eligible to be... raised as a ghost. You have to be dead. Your body has to have been cremated or otherwise burned to nothing. The longer you've been a ghost the less lifelike you will appear lifelike.puzzle* I never really thought about it but I guess I should be able to see ghosts who in life were of religious beliefs that differed from mine. Somehow I doubt a christian ghost will care that they may be seen by a a polytheistic deist. But in any case, I'd need for ghosts whose religion did vary greatly from mine I'd need for them to either have not been cremated or they need to have an attachment to my physical life. In any instance where a 'ghost' had an attachment to my physical body, it will be possible for the to manifestations to be int he form of dreams and wharnot.
FEAR CAGE: A term used to describe a confined area such as a walk in closet, hallway or basement with very high EMF readings. The combination of being close and confined with in an area of strong EMF often brings out extremely great feelings of uneasiness, anxiety, paranoia and/or uncontrollable fear. When this occurs the best thing is to quickly and calmly leave the area and go to a more open area with lower EMF. Depends on where you are, what you are doing. Drugs/ illnesses can effect as well. I mean, the native Indians used certain objects to "see and speak" to their dead. But, most of these days, a -small amount- uses drugs or are drunk and see things. Since the mind has absorbed data or comments etc, it is possible for the eye to see something and then the brain to think it is an other thing. Near the end of the second world war, the British army used a strong magnetic force around one battle ship. It was to see if it could make it " cloak". The magnetic force field would make who ever watching, look around it . Reports came in as a ghost fleet was in town. Reports of " Men suddenly vanishing and re appearing". Goes to show how easy our eyes and minds are tricked.
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Your talking about the philidelphia experiment with a us destroyer seaking about the second world war and the paranormal here is a small story i remember. Biggin hill in kent is an old raf base that was on the frontline during the battle of britain and was a chosen site for the film battle of britain. The film makers hired five spitfires to do the flying scenes around the airbase. During filming the film crew were wondering why there was 6 planes flying around in formation. Even the pilots were surprised by the 6th plane flying in formation with them but this plane never appears in the footage they filmed. Biggin hill is one of many former raf fighter and bomber stations that still lie around britain and alot of them still produce ghost stories over the age.
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I keep getting them mixed up for some reason. I know they used the same system etc that the British navy had in WW2 . To trick the mines etc.
FEAR CAGE: A term used to describe a confined area such as a walk in closet, hallway or basement with very high EMF readings. The combination of being close and confined with in an area of strong EMF often brings out extremely great feelings of uneasiness, anxiety, paranoia and/or uncontrollable fear. When this occurs the best thing is to quickly and calmly leave the area and go to a more open area with lower EMF. Electromotive Force? Is your closet secretly a giant battery?
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Has no one made a PKE meter or general Ghostbusters reference yet? I'm seriously disappointed.
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The human brain is insanely complex. It can make us see things that does not actually exist, it can make us hear things where there are no sounds, it can even (under great distress) make us feel like we are being touched where there are no one that can touch us (that sounds like its from a sex book). The human brain is so powerful, that we might actually just be a brain, and that everything here is just a imagination for the purpose of stimulation and satisfaction.
Originally Posted by Biggan The human brain is insanely complex. It can make us see things that does not actually exist, it can make us hear things where there are no sounds, it can even (under great distress) make us feel like we are being touched where there are no one that can touch us (that sounds like its from a sex book). The human brain is so powerful, that we might actually just be a brain, and that everything here is just a imagination for the purpose of stimulation and satisfaction. The most advanced sense we have is sight but the eye is of a poor design. Our brains has to invert images we see so that they are right side up as opposed to upside down (the way the images appear before our brain turns it the right way). What's to say we see stuff now that isn't real?
If there was a better way for our eyes to work in sure we would have evolved with it. Cameras work in the same way. It's just how light and lenses work. Eyes are pretty good if you ask me. What makes you say our eyes are the most advanced? Converting the compressions and rarefactions of waves that pass though out ears into sound is pretty clever too.
I can say this with scientific backup, that our eyes ARE the most advanced, but it also the most limited. If you loose your eyesight, then your hearing, smelling, taste and sense of feeling is most often improved by a lot. But when you loose the sense of smelling or hearing the eyes dont improve at all, in fact could humans survive pretty good without eyesight. Sure it would be boring not to be able to watch anime and movies, but we could survive. Actually if you look at the eye from a evolutionist's point of view the eye is very good built. Darwin said for example "The thing that scares me most is the eye. I find the thought of the eye being a result from evolution as pure folly." the eye is so complex that it almost by itself crushes the theory of evolution. BUT the brain on the other hand is still a mystery. We only ever use about 15% of our brain at the same time, why is there no one that knows, and what we could do with 30% is only speculations. The brain receives AND sends back signals, which means that if it wants to, it can make us see things thats not there.
My mon swears that my grandmothers farm house was haunted, probably by my ancient relatives since the built that house and moved it to its current location. I could remember times I used to sleep upstairs and my door mysteriously opened on its own, so we put a fork in the open ending to keep it closed but somehow it wouldn't stay closed. Not to mention I know old housed make noises, but some were weird so ble.
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